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Old 11-28-2004, 04:15 PM
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Software to change person's age?

Anyone know of a good software that will age someone's face, from, say 30 to 60 or something like that? Or take a toddler and age him to 15 or so?

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Old 11-28-2004, 06:13 PM
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While we're waiting for a better answer, I'll just chip in with an idea. Won't go from 30 to 60, but it does add some years.
Do everything that you would to "glamorize" the photo - but backwards.
For example, I did this:
- Chose the Blue channel as luminosity (normally would be Red);
- Ran the High-pass filter on this at radius 5, and got the skin's blemishes;
- Here I would normally invert this to take out the blemishes, but I didn't so they'll get emphasized;
- Linear Light blending at 50%;
- Blend-if, ramping up from 0-127 and down 128-255 (to get the texture, not the edges;
- Masked to get only skin.

(sorry, Maria)
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Old 11-28-2004, 08:13 PM
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Don't think that did the job, Ro. Now she looks like a young woman with bad skin. There is a program called FACES that is used by cops to age people and regress the age, but it is not done with photos, but with sketches. I want something that can do it with photos.

There are well known common results of again, the jowls, the sagging eyes, wrinkles, and more. There are artists who are able to do this freehand, but I'm sure I'm not one of them. I was hoping there was some software out there that could add (or subtract) the common signs of aging.

For instance, I have a photo of a young child that I think is my grandfather. I'd like to age it and see if it matches the photos I have of him as a young man. And then there is the photo of my other grandfather as an old man. I never knew him as a young man, and nobody has a photo. I'd like to see what he looked like at, say 40. Without having to learn how to draw portraits exactingly, and without knowing how age affects our skin subtly and not so subtly.

Thanks for your interpretation, though.

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Old 11-28-2004, 08:41 PM
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Hi Amy,

I know what you're looking for, and I saw an example of three young women, probably in their 20s, changed to women in their 70s or 80s. It was done with Photoshop, and the job was nothing less than fantastic. I'd be surprised if you can find software that would do that, but I'd never say it's impossible. I also have a picture of a young boy that I think was my father, but I'm not sure.

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Old 11-28-2004, 09:49 PM
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Speaking purely with tongue in cheek, I'm going to respond to aging someone. I'm not going to tell how to do it with Photoshop, just some tips that work from a theatrical standpoint. I'm speaking of techniques that work in makeup when a face has to be aged artificially.

A young person typically has firm flesh and very little wrinkles; however, when a person manipulates their face lines appear. Those lines if used enough over the years will become a person's age lines. Also flesh begins to droop/sag as a person ages. If I were to age a person using makeup, I would combine the natural lines in a person's face and add slight droop to the skin. This is done with makeup by highlighting and shading. The same would apply with Photoshop.

Take a look at your own face with a good mirror in a well lit room. Notice where the highlights fall. They are on the tops of the curves and shade in toward the lines/wrinkles. The forehead, chin, tip of the nose, and cheekbones remain slightly more highlighted than other areas (i.e. shine). The folds that come from around the nose to the edges of the mouth would deepen with age. Those would be exaggerated in aging a face artistically. Jowls are but an extension of those folds.

Noses and ears tend to be larger looking in an older person (depending on how old you want the person to look). While that is hard to do with just makeup, it can be done digitally. Keep that in mind as well as lines and wrinkles.

All of what I've said can be accomplished with lots dodging and burning, or even direct painting on a face. Transform can be used with the lengthening and distorting. I should mention that I never and I repeat never use dodge and burn on the layer a photo is on. I create a new layer, fill it with 50% gray and dodge and burn quite happily on that "adjustment" layer. It works quite well.

One more note, a person's head is much rounder when they are young. I wouldn't begin to age a child. It would drive me nuts. When a person is about 12-13 their head is 90%-95% its full size. Then the fun could begin.

Happy aging,

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Old 11-29-2004, 04:52 AM
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Take a look at www.worth1000.com.
They have several contests for age progression, and some tips.
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:40 AM
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Found what I want

http://www.aprilage.com BUT it's not available for purchase! Only does progression, not regression.

Amy
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Old 01-12-2005, 02:38 PM
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RE: Found what you want - Aprilage Progression Software

Good day,

Aprilage Age Progression Software is in fact available for purchase.

For more information and inquiries about APRIL feel free to contact
us at via email at inquiries@aprilage.com or by using our form at http://www.aprilage.com/contact.html.


To see the effects of our software and its capabilities feel free to click on any of the images on the following page on our site:

http://www.aprilage.com/april_in_action.html
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Old 01-12-2005, 02:51 PM
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Well, as of yesterday when I was having an email conversation with them, they would not let me purchase the software since I would charge a fee for the resulting images. So only purchase this if you have a spare $3600 and want to give away the age-progressed images for free. Like if you are a museum or something.

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Old 01-12-2005, 03:18 PM
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I did find an excellent tutorial that is available here for 99p from a UK website. I'm hoping the 99p converts to something like $2.50 and not 99 bucks, because I bought it.

http://www.computerarts.co.uk/tutori...sectionid=1313

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Old 01-12-2005, 03:45 PM
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Who needs software?

Actually, I don't think you need software to do this...

The prospect of my daughter, who's 8 going on 18 (I can't [don't want to] believe she's gonna be 9 this summer), getting closer and closer to becoming a teenager, driving and BOYS! (eek!), ages MY face daily! (LOL - nervously).

When she was born I looked MUCH younger than I do today!
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Old 01-12-2005, 03:50 PM
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APRIL Age Progression Software

Please note sections 1.01 and 1.02 of the APRIL User License Agreement.

www.aprilage.com/faq.html
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Old 01-15-2005, 10:10 AM
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I managed to do a credible job of aging my son from 4 months to 21, and then again from 21 to 55, using a morphing program. On the first movie, I can see that it is accurate, as I recognize him at 5, 10, 15 etc.

The movie that take him from 21 to 55 is based on my husband's two year old photo. I just morphed my son into my husband. In the middle you can see how my son will look at about 35-40. You can actually watch him grow his hair in, and then go bald. (He's not happy with that!)

This is basically what forensic artists do by hand when drawing an age progressed photo. They look at siblings and same sex parent to determine the changes. This is a lot faster.

http://mcwhirterfamilyofmercer.com/justinr.swf 4 months to 21

http://www.mcwhirterfamilyofmercer.com/justodad2.swf 21 to 55

Slow load, but worth it.

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Old 04-26-2005, 01:13 AM
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Thumbs down Age Progression Link

Never giving up with my search in finding software to age a person's face, I found a link that may help some of you who are interested in aging your own or someone else's face (and the best part, IT'S FREE)...

http://212.100.224.91/

Best of luck,
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:53 AM
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Never giving up with my search in finding software to age a person's face, I found a link that may help some of you who are interested in aging your own or someone else's face (and the best part, IT'S FREE)...

http://212.100.224.91/

Best of luck,
Ed
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:34 AM
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Thanks, Ed. I took an image from the expensive AprilAge software and ran it through your site. The results are remarkably like the ones that AprilAge got! I little muddier, but that can be cleared up.

And it's done by javascript! Too bad they have rightfully protected the page!

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Old 04-26-2005, 03:14 PM
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Manju, are you using a Mac? I"m not having any probs with a PC.

This simple webpage is what I've been looking for! And it does a credible job, IF the primary image is good quality.

See Clinton at 58, 68 and 78

Amy
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:44 AM
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Manjumena, i use a MAC (OS X - TIGER) and it seems to work fine on PC's as well. not sure why you cannot enter the site. i only have a numeric link... sorry.
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Old 05-26-2005, 07:20 AM
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from what i've heard, software exists used by the same folks that were putting missing kids' pictures on milk bottles. whatever software they had developed/were using, did a progressive aging off a picture. not sure what it's called, or if it's available to the public, but that tiny bit of data might help in a search for same.

using that web site with the java applet, i must say, this is kinda scary. liv tyler from a screenshot off the lord of the rings dvd, then 10 years more, then 20. oh, the humanity!

K.
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Old 11-08-2005, 06:05 PM
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Has anyone recently been able to access that website? I am not. Does anyone have a different link for it?
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Old 11-19-2005, 01:33 PM
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T-Mobile closed it down. I suspect too much traffic to their site and not enough buyers. I have been trying to 1. get the code from them, or 2. find out who owns the code. If and when I get it, I'll let you know. May have to buy it.

You can still do it using a program like Broderbund's MORPH software. Just use an older relative as the end pic and count the years in age between the two people. Then allot a certain number of seconds for each year for the movie to run.

You can then stop the results at the age you want to see, but the further along the movie runs, the less like the original photo it will be and the more like the end pic.

So say you have a baby pic of a child, and a pic of the same sex parent. The parent is 25. So you allot 5 x 25 or 125 second for the entire movie. Then at marker 5 the baby would be one year old, at marker 125 he would be 25 yrs. If you wanted to see what he'd look like at 5 you'd stop at marker 25.

Take a look: http://mcwhirterfamilyofmercer.com/justinr.swf This takes a baby pic of my son from about 4 months to 19. It's pretty darn accurate.

http://www.mcwhirterfamilyofmercer.com/justodad2.swf
Dad is 58, so the most accurate it would be is up to 40 or 45.

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Old 11-19-2005, 10:23 PM
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amy,

that's pretty cool. thank you

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Old 06-06-2006, 07:30 AM
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Work it

I Don't know if there's a software to do this, but I don't think It can do a better job. Photoshop can do it.


I did this one, and I like it. Hope you do too.

If you're interested I can tell you how
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Old 06-06-2006, 08:10 AM
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Well, as the topic starter. I for one would LOVE to learn how you did that!

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Old 06-06-2006, 09:52 AM
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I Don't know if there's a software to do this, but I don't think it can do a better job. Photoshop can do it.

I did this one, and I like it. Hope you do too.

If you're interested I can tell you how
Very impressive work, Godmother. I, too, would love to know how you did this.

Welcome to RetouchPRO!

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Old 06-06-2006, 09:55 AM
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Sources

It's all in the sources U use. First, start with a good high quality pic of the person you're about to age.
Then find several old pic in the same perspective/orientation. (Try sxc.hu or google words like: old man, old woman, grandmother, grandfather, grampa) and don't worry about the similitud between the two subjects. My old pic was an old dark men.

Then you just have to cut and paste areas you like over the original image, mask the pasted layer with a soft brush and color match with levels, tone, color balance, bright and contrast, may be in some cases even a layer blended "color" for a perfect match.

Never touch the personality givers (I don't know if that is even a expresion) like EYES and nose. Keep the shape play with the limits.

The hair desaturated but not just "Adjust/Desaturate" try 2 adjust layers, one for saturation in color mode and another saturation (Bring the last one down and play with the first abobe to get the right contrast an tone). Then if you're doing this to a woman, add some hair with a very smal brush (yes, hair by hair one at the time, when you're happy with amount of hair you've added, just add a little noise and then some blur for a "real look"

Again if you're doing a woman, spots in the skin (burned), may do the trick... and one important part of a woman aged is the boobs, google (old breast implant) for those

Glasses may help, but they are optional.

and again. Details make your image: Lips, teeth, fingers, nails, ears, veins in the eyes, etc.

Every time you add wrinkles continue the wrinkle in the original skin with the burn tool.

Be detailer.

All the hair that you see in the old pic of mine is from copy and paste, I searched for a few sources that matched the hair style and masked the parts I liked the most.

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU (And sorry for my english, I've never studied, I just picked what I know from movies and songs, so... this is the best I can do)

Jim's chop took 6 hours, so don't espect to get nice results in a few minutes.
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Old 06-06-2006, 02:38 PM
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Old 06-06-2006, 03:04 PM
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How would you ad jowls?
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Old 06-06-2006, 05:13 PM
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jowls

To add jowls...

First I'd try to find sources for it, always looking at the position/perspective of them, not the "look a like".

If I can't find any, I'll draw some double chin.

First with the Airbrush tool, some fairly broad strokes, copying the colors in the area of her neck. Then work in the details with a smaller brush.

It would be good to have a picture of an old womans neck to gide you.

May be playing a little with the liquify tool to zoom in and make the second chin.

I guess that's what I've have done. Hope it helps you.
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Old 06-06-2006, 06:42 PM
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this is my first post here, and i am looking forward to learning from all of you -- i came across this age progression tutorial at:

http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161116

it looks pretty good, although i haven't tried it yet.

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Maybe http://www.morpheussoftware.net/ (for Windows) helps.
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:51 AM
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If you look at an earlier post I used that software to produce an aging of my son from baby to 58. Not entirely accurate, as the sequence has to use his father as the end result

However, I have another page to show, and my secret software.

Click Here

This is exactly what I was looking for. T-Mobile took the software down, but I managed to find it again with an exhaustive web search.

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Old 02-17-2009, 03:26 AM
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Re: Software to change person's age?

Thanks guys, for all the posts and info, and website, excellent thread although I didn't look very nice older - scary!!
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